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  • 1.  4 passenger jet car boat

    Posted 16 days ago

    If a Rental livery employee drives a 4-passenger jet car boat with 3 paying passengers on a tour of the harbor does that employee need a captain's license to drive the jet car. I assume since they are paying passengers, they would need a license but because of the size of a jet car does this still apply?



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    Philip Hager
    Maryland Natural Resource Police
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  • 2.  RE: 4 passenger jet car boat

    Posted 15 days ago

    So….if this passenger for hire operation is occurring on a federal navigable waterway, the answer is YES.  

    if it's only within state waters where the USCG does not have authority, it would be up to the state to determine.  

    A useful chart to make a determination can be found here: https://wow.uscgaux.info/Uploads_wowII/P-DEPT/PaxForHire_GuideChart.pdf

    If you would like to see the nations premier FB page on all matters pertaining to illegal charters visit here: https://m.facebook.com/groups/489022675264936/?wtsid=rdr_0LKSBeVB2KeIAskRl



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    Jesus Porrata
    Lead Marine Investigation
    Sector Miami Investigations Division
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  • 3.  RE: 4 passenger jet car boat

    Posted 15 days ago
    Phillip,
    It’s my understanding of the law that if you have pain passengers, the operator of the craft must have a Captains certification to perform their duties. Should anything happen, the liability will fall on the Captain, his/her knowledge and education.
    Tony Hargett
    Aqua 7 Rescue
    916 300-7628


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  • 4.  RE: 4 passenger jet car boat

    Posted 15 days ago
    Yep
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  • 5.  RE: 4 passenger jet car boat

    Posted 15 days ago

    Yes. Paying passengers. 6 pack would suffice for this uninspected boat 



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    [Rich] [Barreto]
    [Capt]
    [Miss Jo]
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  • 6.  RE: 4 passenger jet car boat

    Posted 15 days ago
    The answer is yes he needs a Captains for any passengers for hire either directly paying on in exchange for goods. Is my opinion.


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  • 7.  RE: 4 passenger jet car boat

    Posted 15 days ago
    Phil,
    Yes, that operator needs to have a OUPV license.
    Virgil
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  • 8.  RE: 4 passenger jet car boat

    Posted 15 days ago
    Hello. It is my impression that at any time a person receives a payment from a non-crew member a USCG license is required regardless of the form of payment. Once the distinction of a provider/operator and passenger role is made, the vessel operator is now required to be credentialed. Some areas also require a local credential beyond the USCG license. I am curious if a state credential could override the need for the USCG license on state waters. 



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  • 9.  RE: 4 passenger jet car boat

    Posted 15 days ago

    If you are operating the vessel on sole state waters No USCG license is required. If you are operating as a law enforcement officer, state officer or emergency services boat operator and are carrying passengers and being paid by the state or other government agency you are not required to have a USCG license.  Addressing Phil's question those operators taking passengers out for hire even if there are others aboard not paying, the operator of the boat needs to have a USCG License (OUPV). Now with that being said, does that license make them a better boat operator? My answer is NO, the operation of the craft is a skill the USCG license does not address in getting that merchant mariner credential. A safer system would be having a credential showing you have be trained in operating the boat you are being paid to operate along with a state boating safety certificate. Keep in mind, I am referring to inland waterways on small boats less than 27ft. 



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    Virgil Chambers
    Boating and Water Safety Consultant
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